Why do you think the turnout was so low? Millions of idiots were pressuring people to withhold their vote over Palestine in a colossal self-fuck. That is if you assume these people spreading that are really that stupid. Some were, but I think a large percentage were paid trolls. And their campaigning worked. Russia owns the United States now
Yeah there are only so many times Biden can go “hey isreal, you’d better stop that genocide or else!” While doing nothing whatsoever and even giving them the weapons to continue the genocide before people go “well they aren’t going to do a damn thing about this”
I’m not supporting that idea nor voter apathy. But i can certainly understand why Kamala lost Michigan, Dearborn has the largest muslim population in the country. I can understand why so many people there might be apathetic or uninterested in voting for a party that has put forth no pushback or even plans to stop an ongoing genocide against people of their faith.
Again, Trump will absolutely be far worse by just greenlighting isreal.
I’m not disagreeing with you. All I’m saying is that I understand why say a Palistinian American might be adverse to voting for the side actively faning the flames to a genocide including their own family members. I can imagine waking up and being told you should vote for the side that supplied the bombs that exploded half your family and going “why? So the other half can also get bombed? My whole family is going to die either way” and that being their rational for not voting.
Wh vote for the side that didn’t interfere when someone else bombed your family, when you can help elect someone who will encourage them to bomb every living relative too
JFC. What is with you people? I don’t understand what you want from me. I voted blue straight down ballot in a swing state and I yelled at my lefty friends to do the same.
All I am saying and have been saying is I understand why people whose friends and family are being exterminated might not want to vote for team actively arming the people commiting a genocide.
Hell, theres another post right now on lefty memes about how the harris team knew saying they’d stop arming isreal would give them a jump in the polls.
Oh you mean they didn’t show up to support your preferred minority issue? huh. I wonder how the arabs felt this entire campaign?
No one owes you their vote. You need to earn it. Your support of the shit behavior towards arabs (and others) demonstrated by the democratic party and its candidate is what caused this.
go home trick. connect with your community. get support. if you need some help lines to call I can find them.
Yep! Why didn’t they vote ?! Why didn’t they choose the genocide eneblers, it’s only been 1 yearsince it started!! Those abstinent peaple are surely responsible for what Trump gonna do. But the Kamalla voters aren’t responcible for it. They are the right choise !!!
🎶 Put The Blame on Me Boy, Put The Blame on Me Boy 🎶 (i know i change the lirics a bit), Not the fault of the Dems funded by the Israely gov, they just rather get their money plein and simple. And God forbid never change your mindset.
Again, Trump will absolutely be far worseby just greenlighting isreal.
The aim of a genocide is the same whether there’s someone with a blue tie approving it or a red tie approving it. Israel wants to displace or kill every Palestinian and break their culture and heritage.
That’s what genocide is. You can’t get worse than that, and that’s what’s happening.
I hold the Democratic party entirely responsible for trying to win by stealing Trump’s base instead of working with the left. The voters cannot themselves be to blame in this kind of election because that assumption destroys democracy. If I must vote for one of two bad candidates then the parties are never pressured to even pretend they represent the people. This isn’t hard, 19 year old college freshmen learn this stuff.
Yes, and the people at fault are the democratic party, their consultants, and people like tracy who can’t get over their vaunted ‘lesser evil!’ world view to realize just how fucking toxic as individuals they are. we’re engaging because tracy needs the release and others need to see how toxic it is.
I see, so in order to save “democracy” people should have supported Genocide.
Honeslty maybe the Democrats should have seen this coming to themselves for supporting, and I will repeat it once more in case you don’t understand, GENOCIDE.
Imagine voting for 100% Hitler because another guy could be 150% Hitler.
And I’ve been telling people for years thats a terrible fucking saying as well. (Also notice how little play that saying had this cycle.) Statistically speaking you may have lost your arm but you’ll still have the ability to write and walk! Sorry left handies! Nothing can be done for you! (Left handies are the arabs in the gaza story, lgbt in others etc)
Also if the Democrats really wanted to win this elections, they would have run a different candidate that the one that is supervising Gaza right now !
You can also go back and see that people said in a lot of pools that they saw the economy as a big issue for them.
If the average person in America sees that their economic situation is getting worse with Biden and wants change, you don’t run his VP for president !
The Democrats don’t care about you and they don’t care about winning.
They are funded by the same billioners that fund the Republicans. They just want to kill minorities and cut taxes for the rich as much as Republicans but they don’t say it as clearly.
The Democrats are just controlled opposition that takes away votes from the non-fascist parties in the US.
I don’t know what point you think you’re making, but after yesterday I give the American people zero credit. Millions of voters stayed home pretending it was about gaza. It’s not my job to psychoanalyze them but I do know their actions contradicted their stated goal and that makes them frauds.
Another contributor to low turnout was massive voter suppression. It’d be interesting to see that quantified. Hundreds of thousands of voters were being purged in each of several states. The single-issue Gaza vote was lost in the noise of those gross examples of electoral manipulation.
I’m sure you’re right. It’s hard to know where to focus the blame most, but I am livid that this country is worse than my worst fears. On a certain level I am losing any desire to even care specifically how/why. I wouldn’t have considered not voting before this but now I honestly am 99.9% of the way to saying fuck it all.
Why do you think the turnout was so low? Millions of idiots were pressuring people to withhold their vote over Palestine in a colossal self-fuck. That is if you assume these people spreading that are really that stupid. Some were, but I think a large percentage were paid trolls. And their campaigning worked. Russia owns the United States now
Yeah there are only so many times Biden can go “hey isreal, you’d better stop that genocide or else!” While doing nothing whatsoever and even giving them the weapons to continue the genocide before people go “well they aren’t going to do a damn thing about this”
and that’s why I voted trump! /s
I’m not supporting that idea nor voter apathy. But i can certainly understand why Kamala lost Michigan, Dearborn has the largest muslim population in the country. I can understand why so many people there might be apathetic or uninterested in voting for a party that has put forth no pushback or even plans to stop an ongoing genocide against people of their faith.
Again, Trump will absolutely be far worse by just greenlighting isreal.
Something every human had the means to see coming. They just either didn’t care or plugged their eyes and ears to it.
I’m not disagreeing with you. All I’m saying is that I understand why say a Palistinian American might be adverse to voting for the side actively faning the flames to a genocide including their own family members. I can imagine waking up and being told you should vote for the side that supplied the bombs that exploded half your family and going “why? So the other half can also get bombed? My whole family is going to die either way” and that being their rational for not voting.
Wh vote for the side that didn’t interfere when someone else bombed your family, when you can help elect someone who will encourage them to bomb every living relative too
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JFC. What is with you people? I don’t understand what you want from me. I voted blue straight down ballot in a swing state and I yelled at my lefty friends to do the same.
All I am saying and have been saying is I understand why people whose friends and family are being exterminated might not want to vote for team actively arming the people commiting a genocide.
Hell, theres another post right now on lefty memes about how the harris team knew saying they’d stop arming isreal would give them a jump in the polls.
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Oh you mean they didn’t show up to support your preferred minority issue? huh. I wonder how the arabs felt this entire campaign?
No one owes you their vote. You need to earn it. Your support of the shit behavior towards arabs (and others) demonstrated by the democratic party and its candidate is what caused this.
go home trick. connect with your community. get support. if you need some help lines to call I can find them.
Yep! Why didn’t they vote ?! Why didn’t they choose the genocide eneblers, it’s only been 1 yearsince it started!! Those abstinent peaple are surely responsible for what Trump gonna do. But the Kamalla voters aren’t responcible for it. They are the right choise !!!
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🎶 Put The Blame on Me Boy, Put The Blame on Me Boy 🎶 (i know i change the lirics a bit), Not the fault of the Dems funded by the Israely gov, they just rather get their money plein and simple. And God forbid never change your mindset.
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The aim of a genocide is the same whether there’s someone with a blue tie approving it or a red tie approving it. Israel wants to displace or kill every Palestinian and break their culture and heritage.
That’s what genocide is. You can’t get worse than that, and that’s what’s happening.
It can’t possibly be because that’s a real concern. They had to be paid actors. You sound like Infowars after a school shooting.
yeah because cambridge analytica was also a hoax
Are you seriously comparing a fucking genocide to an info op?
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You still don’t get it do you? Blaming the people you need to persuade is not a winning strategy. They aren’t going to magically like you suddenly.
What’s the point in playing nice with somebody who won’t engage in good faith?
Exposing them for others to see.
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tracy needs some help. shrug. don’t write them off yet. depression can be a hell of a time.
In their own words, “facts don’t care about your feelings”.
Holding people accountable for their actions that affect you is an entirely just and necessary thing to do.
I hold the Democratic party entirely responsible for trying to win by stealing Trump’s base instead of working with the left. The voters cannot themselves be to blame in this kind of election because that assumption destroys democracy. If I must vote for one of two bad candidates then the parties are never pressured to even pretend they represent the people. This isn’t hard, 19 year old college freshmen learn this stuff.
Yes, and the people at fault are the democratic party, their consultants, and people like tracy who can’t get over their vaunted ‘lesser evil!’ world view to realize just how fucking toxic as individuals they are. we’re engaging because tracy needs the release and others need to see how toxic it is.
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I see, so in order to save “democracy” people should have supported Genocide.
Honeslty maybe the Democrats should have seen this coming to themselves for supporting, and I will repeat it once more in case you don’t understand, GENOCIDE.
Imagine voting for 100% Hitler because another guy could be 150% Hitler.
I’m on this kick of pointing out that the utilitarian ethical calculation still works with 100% Hitler and 100.1% Hitler. Harm minimization, baby!
yeah its why no some takes utilitarian’s seriously. Hi friend I have this new policy where you give me your left arm and I don’t take your legs!
You say that, but “vote blue no matter who” is exactly this argument under the paint.
And I’ve been telling people for years thats a terrible fucking saying as well. (Also notice how little play that saying had this cycle.) Statistically speaking you may have lost your arm but you’ll still have the ability to write and walk! Sorry left handies! Nothing can be done for you! (Left handies are the arabs in the gaza story, lgbt in others etc)
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So by your logic, in Nazi Germany, you would have supported Hitler if there was another guy that was even worse than him ?
Do you even have a red line or can politicians just screw you over indefinitely for as long as there is someone worse !?
Also if the Democrats really wanted to win this elections, they would have run a different candidate that the one that is supervising Gaza right now !
You can also go back and see that people said in a lot of pools that they saw the economy as a big issue for them. If the average person in America sees that their economic situation is getting worse with Biden and wants change, you don’t run his VP for president !
The Democrats don’t care about you and they don’t care about winning. They are funded by the same billioners that fund the Republicans. They just want to kill minorities and cut taxes for the rich as much as Republicans but they don’t say it as clearly.
The Democrats are just controlled opposition that takes away votes from the non-fascist parties in the US.
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Trick, you’re still not doing so hot. go take another day off and drink yourself silly, touch some grass etc.
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Only 10% of the electorate even cared about Gaza. You’re giving the American people entirely too much credit.
I don’t know what point you think you’re making, but after yesterday I give the American people zero credit. Millions of voters stayed home pretending it was about gaza. It’s not my job to psychoanalyze them but I do know their actions contradicted their stated goal and that makes them frauds.
Another contributor to low turnout was massive voter suppression. It’d be interesting to see that quantified. Hundreds of thousands of voters were being purged in each of several states. The single-issue Gaza vote was lost in the noise of those gross examples of electoral manipulation.
I’m sure you’re right. It’s hard to know where to focus the blame most, but I am livid that this country is worse than my worst fears. On a certain level I am losing any desire to even care specifically how/why. I wouldn’t have considered not voting before this but now I honestly am 99.9% of the way to saying fuck it all.