Satire requires a clarity of purpose and target lest it be mistaken for and contribute to that which it intends to criticize
Archie Bunker is a great example of satire that just reinforced prejudice among the people watching All In The Family who were already bigoted. They don’t see themselves or Archie as the joke. So ultimately you’re just giving air time to bigotry if your satire isn’t both scathing and clear.
I don’t know who you’re quoting, but it’s not me. I didn’t make the joke and if someone were to be actually misogynist in my life I would speak up about it. This doesn’t bother me.
I know it’s not from you, it’s a quote about satire in general. I posted it because it was relevant to the conversation.
I don’t think just repeating misogynistic jokes without commentary and then blaming people for not knowing it was actually ironic misogyny and not “real” misogyny is effective at critiquing misogyny or beyond criticism.
Wether or not they get the joke doesn’t change anything. Satire isn’t going to stop a bigot from being a bigot. It’s like those dumbass who are suddenly afraid of the okay sign. Like, they have you by the balls dude. They’re bending you over and fucking you hard, and you’re letting them. It’s pointless. At some point you just need to say fuck it and live, because bigots are going to bigot no matter what who does. If a piece mocking them makes them comfortable enough to expose themselves, that’s a good thing.
I’m not sure that is in bad faith, it’s the essence of what you said. I agree I probably went too far by using *checks notes*.
I’m really not sure how any of it justifies making a joke they would make, and saying it doesn’t count cause you don’t actually think that. Why say it?
I’ll fuck off now since my opinion doesn’t matter to you don’t worry 🙂
Archie Bunker is a great example of satire that just reinforced prejudice among the people watching All In The Family who were already bigoted. They don’t see themselves or Archie as the joke. So ultimately you’re just giving air time to bigotry if your satire isn’t both scathing and clear.
I don’t know who you’re quoting, but it’s not me. I didn’t make the joke and if someone were to be actually misogynist in my life I would speak up about it. This doesn’t bother me.
I know it’s not from you, it’s a quote about satire in general. I posted it because it was relevant to the conversation.
I don’t think just repeating misogynistic jokes without commentary and then blaming people for not knowing it was actually ironic misogyny and not “real” misogyny is effective at critiquing misogyny or beyond criticism.
Thanks for your contributions, you put it way more eloquently than I. 🙂
Does it matter that the joke goes over those people’s heads? The fact that they don’t know they’re being mocked makes it funnier.
Yes because then they feel confident with their views, after all it’s being plastered in front of them so it must be okay right?
Wether or not they get the joke doesn’t change anything. Satire isn’t going to stop a bigot from being a bigot. It’s like those dumbass who are suddenly afraid of the okay sign. Like, they have you by the balls dude. They’re bending you over and fucking you hard, and you’re letting them. It’s pointless. At some point you just need to say fuck it and live, because bigots are going to bigot no matter what who does. If a piece mocking them makes them comfortable enough to expose themselves, that’s a good thing.
Fuck bigots and live and… Checks notes make their jokes for them?
I know you know that’s a beyond dishonest characterization of my point. Fuck off if you can’t argue in good faith.
I’m not sure that is in bad faith, it’s the essence of what you said. I agree I probably went too far by using *checks notes*.
I’m really not sure how any of it justifies making a joke they would make, and saying it doesn’t count cause you don’t actually think that. Why say it?
I’ll fuck off now since my opinion doesn’t matter to you don’t worry 🙂