Encouraging Jews to leave “voluntarily” was Hitler’s first step, too. Then when most people don’t want to leave their homes, you justify your escalation by saying you gave them a chance.
Yeah and back then it was Zionists who collaborated with him to populate Palestine with 60,000 German Jews.
It’s annoying making the comparison derails the conversation so much. Yeah, sure, one of the ethnicities involved happens to be repeating and that sucks, but that’s the one genocide people know stuff about.
Genocide is funny to you?
What!? Where did I say that??
I was complaining that you can’t compare the Holocaust to the current situation in Israel-Palestine at all, even when they do the exact same stuff, or a lot of people freak out.
Saying the quiet part out loud again. Forced relocation through either terror or expatriation is Ethnic Cleansing. Ethnic Cleansing may fall under the Genocide Convention.
WTF?
The primary genocide requirement is intent. Instead of throwing “maybes” around, you should spend a minute or two to read the convention in full instead of polluting the discourse.
Especially now that the intent is clearly stated by a government official.
We are there.
I will vote for Joe Biden if he publicly condemns Israel. From his lips. In an address to the nation.
I will not if he doesn’t.
Simple as that.
Idiotic reason to vote for Trump who is far worse toward Palestine.
Then the democratic party should make the most basic effort to condemn genocide. I wont vote for the support of genocide. It’s really not a high bar. It’s frankly pathetic that you are suggesting we have accept that. That makes you explicitly in support of the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the people of Palestine. You are evil.
Stop doing that you insufferable pea-brained dolt.
Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean I’m voting for Trump.
Idiots like you sit there like your vote is a party popper you MUST use to show if your streamers and confetti are blue or red.
I am disgusted with the options I am presented with. I get no streamers or confetti…
Unless Biden condemns the Israeli genocide of Palestine and champions imposing massive embargoes on Israel while fully ceasing any funding in full.
Then I might believe he (and the DNC) are humbling WAY the fuck up, listening to their constituents, and correcting course is the SMALLEST of ways.
I vote for anyone but Biden, or even a no vote, is a vote for Trump.
If you think Palestine is in bad shape under Biden, try to imagine how much worse it’d be with Trump.
The only way to get Democrat candidates on the left is to crush the right wing so that the Overton window moves.
Rewarding parties for doing nothing is good democracy actually 🤓 /s
If America were a functional democracy the Democrats would actually court voters with real solutions to real problems. That’s not their goal. Let’s not forget that the country was founded as a rich boys club and the founding documents were designed to preserve it as such. That is still true to this day. You can’t pull the Democrats left because that’s not their fucking job
You are the uncle Tom piece of shit that has lead this country here.
I do not vote for Biden. I do not vote for Trump.
You can’t make me.
Your rhetoric is outdated, idiotic, and counter-productive.
One of those two will be president no matter what you do. They will then be in a position capable of inflicting great damage. Trump will use that position to hurt more people than Biden. The math here isn’t complicated, and it continually astounds me how many people on the left cannot actually solve the trolly problem when faced with it for real. It really shows which people are engaged in politics as a means to an end rather than as personal expression or a hobby.
Dont. Support. Genocidal. Fascists.
Nobody is going to make you vote one way or another, but please recognize the following:
The United States is currently a two party system. It sucks. We need to push for more ranked choice voting, as well as direct popular vote.
However, until we’re able to achieve something that makes this parties viable, we will continue to have issues with the right wing getting undue influence in our politics.
Vote with your heart, but make sure that you’re okay with another Trump presidency of you decide not to vote for Biden.
Keep in mind as you do so that more than one state had enough votes for Jill Stein that if they had gone to Hillary, Trump never would have become president.
We should have viable parties outside of the two not great to horrible parties we have now. But that’s simply not the way our government works as it stands now.
Last thing: you’ve become a single issue voter. This is the lefty equivalent of only caring about abortion and ignoring literally everything else. Politics is complicated, and I personally find single issue voters incredibly shortsighted and lazy.
Considering… considering… nope, wont support genocide.
By this logic, every dollar you don’t donate to Biden is a dollar donated to Trump.
I ask you, if there is one party that tries you stop you from voting in any way they can, doesn’t you not voting play into their hand?
It’s a two party system. You vote Biden or get Trump. Trump has less problem with ethnic cleansing. If fact Trump is the kind that might try it in the US.
Ya, Independent, Green, Libertarian, Constitution.
Those parties don’t exist.
The genocidal fascist whose boots you’re licking told you so.
Well good luck with that. I hope you guys don’t vote in Trump again, for all our sake.
Well, good luck with that.
I hope your rhetoric doesn’t perpetuate the cycle of America lesser eviling it to Ultra Mega Hitler as POTUS.
Edit: To clarify, Trump is currently strangled by litigation diet coke button and removing a bike rack harmless loudmouth capable not Hitler with 60 percent of a country ready to fight him status.
Biden however has made the Democrat base support genocide.
He already has plans for it, and using the military to do it. He has made it clear he plans to go full fascist right from day one if he were to win again. It’s his only way to not spend the rest of his life in prison (and he loves the idea of being a dictator).
I think if he tries that, the US breaks down as there is no way everyone will go with it.
Trump winning is a win for the enemies of the US and a win for the enemies of the wider free world.
Edit: Add a few words for clarity.
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Honestly, I’m willing to let it happen just for the smug invertebrate liberal bootlickers to finally experience what liberals have been doing to every hood I lived in for the last 30 years. Fuck 'em, settler-descent crackers are not my countrymen, especially not if they think they’re going to cudgel me into supporting a genocidal segregationist that already ripped my family apart more than once from '94 onwards.
I wasn’t planning on voting for trump, but when you put it that way…
OK ok, I’ve edited to be more explicit. Though I’m sure everyone knew the interpretation I meant…
Then let me be more explicit, too: Amerika tore my family apart across four hundred years of its history, continues to tear my family apart, refuses to cede my people actual liberation and freedom, and still demands our support like they’re not STILL interring us in prison chattel slavery or extrajudicially executing us in the streets.
What the blue donkeyfuck makes you think I’m an ally of this shithole? What the blue donkeyfuck makes you think I’m going to exert ANY effort in perpetuating this monstrous, genocidal hell? Biden and Trump will do the same shit; so to me? The only way either of them can hang is with a rope.
Trump winning is a win for the enemies of the US and the enemies of the wider free world.
really? sounds cool
Do you promise?
Trump winning is a win for the enemies of the US and the enemies of the wider free world.
I can’t tell why, but the first three seconds of Harlem Shake keep playing in my head reading that quote. Couldn’t tell you why.
What’s the point of living if I have to vote for genocide?
You think Trump is less pro-genocide? Until you can change the system, you end up choosing who you think is less genocidy.
Edit: spelling
You misunderstand.
If my only choices are to vote for “genocide” and “more genocide”, why shouldn’t I cast a 9mm ballot into the roof of my mouth?
No, it is you don’t understand. You have a “Trolley problem”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem
You don’t have the options you want to have. I’m sorry, but you don’t. We have to deal with the world as it is to have any chance to make it as we want it.
If I throw myself under the trolley wheels I might derail it. Happened in Tunisia.
I don’t think any presidential candidate would do that, even if that’s how they really felt. It’d be political suicide.
You don’t think any candidate would condemn genocide. Condemning genocide as a US presidential candidate is suicide…
Isn’t that how fucked America is in a nutshell.
This is why I unironically believe Amerika as a nation, and as an identity, deserves to die. I finally figured out why Amerika won’t condemn Israel’s genocide, won’t condemn Nazism, will veto every attempt to do either-- it’s because these are the same kind of vile, murdering, thieving, and pillaging barbarian settlers as what we’re seeing in Occupied Palestine, and what we saw in Axis Germany. Only difference is Amerika completed both of its genocides in such a way that the survivors either won’t fight back anymore, or physically don’t have the numbers to meaningfully fight back anymore.
“We won’t do genocide, but what about 90% genocide?”
95% tops!
Is it really genocide if there’s at least a few left?
Of course it is. There are still Armenians, German Jewish people, Rwandan Tutsis, Rohingya, and no one disputes that they were genocided.
Yes, but then the countries of the world need to brutally stomp out the aggressor of the genocide, and need to forcibly give the victims of the genocide the plot of land they claim as their original home.
Okay hear me out, what if, after you make sure each person isn’t hamas, you tattoo their arm, and…
I wonder if he literally meant 100, not 100,000.
Goebbels really has some crazy ideas there
Yet again,
But remember, not a genocide.
This idiot doesn’t know when to shut up. This war started when Israel had the worst and most extremist government it’s ever had, there were many protests about it in the first half of 2023. That minister in particular is possibly the craziest of them, and easily the one least able to co-ordinate his statements with the rest of the government. It’s both a PR disaster for Israel and plain misleading information - this is not a policy that Israel has.
Unless I’m mistaken, he’s even been banned from cabinet meetings because of this kind of shit. So please, take everything he says with a mountain of salt.
Disclaimer: I’m Israeli. I know Israel is not handling this war remotely well, but it’s also not guilty of the extreme accusations the internet blames it for.
P.S. mods, if you decide to ban me (as another community did) then at least have the courtesy of informing the rest of the userbase about it, and ideally leave my comment intact. If you just delete and ban every comment that doesn’t uphold a specific viewpoint, you’re just making an echo chamber, and the whole community becomes more extremist by the day.
To be honest I would argue the sentiment that this approach isn’t what most Israeli civilians envisioned for some years now, but seeing as how all actions taken by both IDF and Israeli government, I seriously doubt this guy is alone in his fascist thoughts when he bursts out these inhumane sentiments.
I would advise against defending these genocidal state apparatus, nor mixing the views of civilian population of Israel with these bloodthirsty colonialist monsters.
Israeli people are innocent in this conflict, as are Palestinian people. However, Palestinian people are too poor and oppressed from all sides to make a conscious decision to root out Hamas, so the part of responsibility that falls on them is hard to accomplish. Israeli people, on the other hand, still have enough faculties, although at the brink of destruction by the fear-mongering campaign of Bibi the Genocider, to carry out their part of the responsibility in forming peaceful living by dismantling their current terrorist and fascist government (at the elections at worst).
What I advise is don’t try push the blame under a rug by making scapegoats out of a few people while letting the rest ruin the last semblance of your democracy.
It wasn’t my intention to make him a scapegoat, I’m only accusing him of the statements that he made, nothing else. Any actual actions that the government and military make can’t fall on just his shoulders.
What everyone globally seems to forget, or maybe never even heard about, is that Israel has tried multiple times in the past to make peace with a Palestinian state, with generous offers of land (generous when you consider that it was under no obligation to offer them, and it’s a state not a person so ethics don’t apply in quite the same way). Right from the get-go, it’s the Palestinians who always refused these peace offerings, ever since with the UN decision to establish the state of Israel which was largely supported by the western world.
Even in the past few years before the October 7th attacks, Israel has gradually increased the number of work permits for Gaza citizens to work in Israel.. Israel has been trying slowly to gain any sort of trust and be humanitarian, but time and time again this trust is betrayed and progress is reversed.
I will say that I don’t think any of this justifies the number of casualties in Gaza. It doesn’t make sense to me, and I don’t think it’s acceptable that destruction of this extent is Israel’s course of action. But I also can’t agree with claims of genocide or ethnic cleansing, especially not as a long-term policy of Israel. It doesn’t add up.
Thanks. This kind of reality check is very necessary.
So he wants to kill 90% of the populace in a geographical region.
How does anyone deny this is genocide?
Where was it stated that the goal was to kill 90% of the population?
It is not possible to move 1.8 million people out of a region like Gaza without mass death. This is not some secret information that Israel doesn’t know. The state of Israel has demonstrated at every possible opportunity that at best it does not care and at worst that’s the goal.
I think their goal is to displace 90% into Egypt and kill the rest. Still genocide.
The US is really fucked up on this. I mean Israel is a tactical ally, but how do you turn a blind eye to genocide?
The US hasn’t turned a blind eye to it. The US has been exerting pressure for lessened combat operations since the getgo.
Foreign policy is not about morality, it is about power.
There are 3 main powers in that region. Saudi Arabia, Iran and Israel. Right now the US has a lot of influence over both (power). If the US were to just drop Israel, then all of a sudden the US has no more power in the region.
The Israelis do not need us for weapons. Not only do they have their own military industrial complex, there are other 1st world powers who would happily sell arms to Israel for a chance to become the new most powerful influence in the region due to having Iran and Israel under their thumbs.
I swear, Americans are fucking stupid when it comes to how anything works and they have zero desire to learn. It’s no wonder that the US ends up with people like trump.
If you continue to provide funding and weapons to an ongoing genocide, you are 100% complicit. What you are suggesting is that the ends justify the means.
If by turn a blind eye you mean supply vast majority of the weapons used to commit the genocide then sure.
