In this instance, should we ban NSFL, hardcore gore content? I think it’s not a problem since anyone can subscribe to the community they want but if the vast majority don’t want it, we can ban it. Decisions must be made from the beginning.
Here’s a StrawPoll link.
Edit: Looks like we are going to ban it. Commenters are right that we cannot currently list NSFW and NSFL content separately on the homepage. Since anyone can open an instance, we should let other people to open an instance on lemmynsfl.com. Also moderating these communities can be hard too. So it’s okay.
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Thanks for your feedback. Due to reasonable arguments, NSFL is banned.
Thank you for consulting the community. Also you might want to add it to the instance rules asap
I like the idea of blocking until we have more granular filters. This instance will be more successful if it’s not blocked by loads of instances, and I reckon allowing stuff like this will make the block choice too easy.
I also did in my instance at federotica.com
Porn and gore don’t really work well together in my experience. Gore sites often attract “free speech” folks i.e. nazis, redneck racists, antisemites, homophobes, edgelords etc.
Unfortunately those are also the most active users on gore sites. If you really want to run a porn or nsfw site you’re better off not allowing them. I know the decision is already done (luckily) but there are good reasons you shouldn’t allow them. Sites that allow complete “free speech” devolve into a trash site that just posts noise (look at efukt or 4chan).as a former edgelord, please ban it
This is a pretty good explanation of NSFW vs. NSFL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_safe_for_work
“Not safe for work (NSFW) is Internet slang or shorthand used to mark links to content, videos, or website pages the viewer may not wish to be seen viewing in a public, formal or controlled environment.”
“The similar expression not safe for life (NSFL) is also used, referring to content which is so nauseating or disturbing that it might be emotionally scarring to view.”
I think it should be banned since, as of now, there is no way to hide gore by default.
Let’s say I’m browsing the instance and choose to explore some new communities, so I turn on the local filter. I (and I think all the people who are not into gore, which I suppose is the majority) do NOT want, even by mistake, to see gore in my feed, especially if I’m looking for “normal” porn.
Yeah, I could block the communities, but this would mean finding them, interacting with them, and then blocking them, which is not something I want to do.
This is also a good point. While i like the idea of having the title of this instance make sense (meaning having anything NSFW including gore) I also reckon you have a point in that we have no way of blocking gore by default. But maybe thats where more instances come in? like an instance called LemmyPorn or whatnot? I’m not sure… its like the wild west out here!
This could be solved by introducing tags/flairs for communities (set by the instance’s admin and mandatory for communities) which the users can use to filter the kind of communities they want/do not want to see. Does anyone know if lemmy devs are already planning to do this?
those guys are barely holding servers together atm, it will get worse over the next two days (and maybe longer) before it gets better, but i’m sure theyll get to it eventually. So for now I think we have to make do and just say that this instance is non-gore only, since we cant filter it out.
100% agreed
I have nothing against drawn gore, though it’s not something I’m into myself, but I think others are right that the content filtering we have now isn’t enough to allow users to avoid it if we do permit it.
If we can make our own patches to lemmy we could supply a nsfl tag which could be distinctly different to the nsfw tag in that it:
- Doesn’t show to people who have nsfl disabled
- Doesn’t federalize this content or share it outside of lemmynsfw, but then that would defeat the purpose of lemmy idk
I always felt like reddit should have added a separate nsfl toggle as it’s in a whole other ballpark, maybe lemmy could implement it?
Yes please ban it. Or maybe create another gore tag and let users automatically block or blur that content as they wish I guess that is the best of both worlds (Even though I persoinally cant find anything good in the “gore world” :) )
Yes - just that. Yes - ban gore.
I’m surprised that all the scat communities were banned as NSFL without any warning or discussion here. What’s up with that?
According to our poll, we had already banned NSFL. We decided among the admins that scat content is within the scope of NSFL and therefore we banned it too.
This is not okay. Unlike gore which clearly has significant ethical issues, scat causes no harm and is simply disliked by many people. Scat is already banned in many places of discussion, meaning that people in this fetish are forced to gather in places where actual child porn and bestiality is, because they literally have no other choice.
Don’t do this to us, please. The community did not ask for this. Please, throw us a lifeline. Don’t make us go to a scummy instance full of creeps and actual pedophiles.
EDIT: How can I raise this with the admin team? I’d like to make my argument to repeal this decision and have you guys look at it one last time. We might be able to come to a happier solution ❤
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It really should. If you feel like “people consensually shitting on eachother” is the same as “people raping children” then you need to realize there’s a difference between " I don’t like this" and “this is illegal, rape, and deeply damaging to society”
Check out the work of Dr. Jonathan Haidt.
You’ll have to be a bit more specific as I don’t have time to read all of his works… is there a specific book, theory, or argument your referencing here?
If you’re too busy, din’t feel compelled. There’s a lot of material. Here is a decent place to start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmz10uQsTYE
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so if porn was not allowed on this site, and was only hosted on site with bestiality or CP categories you’re argument is you would never look at porn ? people go to sketchy shitty sites all the time for porn thats not allowed in better spaces.
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That still should have been communicated to the mods of those communities, rather than just banning with no notice.
How have these communities been banned without any notice? How are you better or different than Spez? I fully agree with what @Leanne is saying, scat is not ethically wrong, it’s just disliked by people. You should have opened a dialogue about it instead of straight up banning it for a reason that doesn’t even make sense. We do not deserve this.
Since the poll for allowing scat has finished, can you restore the deleted communities, or is all of our hardwork gone?
No… I don’t understand why they would be banned.
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Right now I’m working on disabling blur and even showing content without logging in. So your argument is going to be invalid.
Also, there’s already a pretty simple way to disable the blur using the stylus plugin (there was another post about it in another com earlier today), so the blur is already not enough. Just reinforcing your point.
FWIW, I think you’re making the right call to ban it from lemmynsfw and letting someone else open up lemmynsfl if they want.
Hi yay, I wanted to ask you if you could create a discussion post for a new rule I intend to propose: every post in every community of this instance MUST be marked as NSFW.
I won’t waste time explaining the obvious reason, but there is a more pratical one too: I was scrolling ALL - NEW and I stumbled upon an uncensored NSFW post whitout looking for it and without the possibility to block it before I could see it, because it was not marked as NSFW.
Unwillingly seeing this kind of post could (reasonably) lead to this instance being blocked from other instances.
I was discussing about it today in my instance, and I argued that, until the experience of the users would not be unwillingly altered from lemmynsfw simply esisting there was no reason to block it.
What happened to me constitutes a very good reason to do so, as long as things stay like this.
Yeah you are right. I think we don’t even need a post for this.
Also it should be a very strict rule and should be enforced firmly, the whole instance is at stake
Maybe not for this one matter, but I do think we need a general discussion post for this community where users can post their proposals/questions
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I suppose you need to decide what is NSFW. Is it only the Lewd images people are posting? That’s pretty tame. Are you going to accept nude/porn/hardcore porn/fetish/furry? Violence? Drugs? Nsfl can be nsfw.
So what is the purpose of this community?
agree. NSFW is such a broad thing to be a community. Atm we need to build specified communities for different topics. Like there could be a porn community and a gore community separately. and then go from there to more specific things like an amateur porn community, or to hentai, or fight videos etc.
For now tho definitely need to just pick one or the other. I cant imagine a porn/gore community being super successful cos those are two WILDLY different moods for most ppl
The instance and communities are different things. Communities can have their own rules about NSFW or NSFL contents. This community (!lemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com ) is only for updates about lemmynsfw.com. People can subscribe any community on lemmynsfw.com.
Now that we’ve made the distinction, what I want to ask here is should we block NSFL communities on the lennynsfw.com instance?
But dont posts from all communities in an instance show if you’re browsing on local.
That could be hella jarring for someone who doesn’t want to see gore. Imo there really should be a feature that differentiates nsfl and nsfw in lemmy.
Oh now i understand. Thanks for the explanation. In this case yes, I think both should be allowed, so people can make separate communities for each. Both porn and gore are considered NSFW so they both fall under the banner of our instance :D
