• hello_hello [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    2 days ago

    same order of magnitude as the Tulsa Race Massacre?

    I’m guessing you missed the fact that events like Tulsa happen every year? The US is already sending immigration agents to stalk and harass migrants, intimidate and harass activists protesting against the Israeli genocide of Gaza, and defund and continually threaten gender, racial and sexual minorities (abortion, trans healthcare, hours worth of cases of well documented police brutality and unhoused people). Or maybe that the US is the 8th wonder of the world where school shootings are normalized, or having the largest prison population where the bulk of it is non-violent drug offenders.

    Tulsa is just one event, the US has committed so many atrocities over several lifetimes. This single day during a time of great national political strife is somehow comparable? You think you’re being so helpful but all you’re doing is just spreading more misery for the sake of making yourself feel better.

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      1 day ago

      Yes the US has committed numerous atrocious, massacres, and genocides.

      You know what I wouldn’t do? Make a YouTube video playing defense for the US government saying that any of those aren’t exactly what they are.

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          I wouldn’t be surprised if a bunch of real videos exist, in which case it would be really easy to condemn them as gross evil western propaganda. It’s easy to condemn Zionist propoganda as gross and evil.

          You know, because I’m not in a weird cult that makes me defend mass murder of civilians.

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            Let us look at a specific example. A claim like “There’s cultural genocide of Uyghurs in Xinjiang” is simply unreal to most Westerners, close to pure gibberish. The words really refer to existing entities and geographies, but Westerners aren’t familiar with them. The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them. It’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.

            What is this social purpose? Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable.

            https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/

            You don’t care, you have never cared. You can change but I doubt you will.

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              1 hour ago

              Which part of that is relevant to the conversation so far?

              To make one criticism of one event isn’t to say that “China bad”. That’s really black and white thinking, and comes off incredibly insecure.

              Not dodging any cult accusations when you would rather take the conversation in a dozen different directions than just admit, “yeah, killing a couple hundred civilians is a massacre”.