Are you trying to make the argument that Marxism isn’t Socialist? I think that’s a very silly argument, Marxism certainly isn’t Anarchist but it is Socialist. The USSR operated under Marxist notions of Socialism, based on public ownership and central planning, something the PRC is based on today (though with their own characteristics).
I don’t think Kronstadt is a good example for your case. The Kronstadt mutiny happened during the Russian Civil War, while the Red Army was fighting off the Tsarist White Army, as well as 14 Capitalist countries that had invaded in order to destabilize the new Socialist State. Secondly, it was headed by Stepan Petrichenko, who had 1 year prior tried to join the Tsarist White Army.
Furthermore, Kronstadt was reported on by Western Media 2 weeks before it had happened, with enthusiastic support against the Socialist State. The “strike” involved arresting 300 Bolshevik officials, and threatening to execute 23 of them. Among their listed demands? Freedom of anti-Communism and purging of Communists from the factories and millitary. After it failed, Petrichenko fled and joined the White Army, finally fulfilling his goal of proving himself as a good anti-Communist and worthy of fighting to reinstate the Tsar.
Do you have a better example of an actual strike being slaughtered, and not a mutiny in the middle of a Civil War that was led by a Tsarist for the purposes of dismantling Socialism?
Again, can you explain how it was a labor strike when they arrested 300 Communists, threatened to execute 2 dozen of them, all at the command of someone who wanted to reinstate the Tsar, whose demands included purging Communists from the government and millitary?
Secondly, you’re confirming that you don’t think Marxism is Socialist. No Marxist has ever claimed that you even can abolish classes instantly, nor that the USSR managed to do so. Abolition of classes is a global phenomenon.
Are you trying to make the argument that Marxism isn’t Socialist? I think that’s a very silly argument, Marxism certainly isn’t Anarchist but it is Socialist. The USSR operated under Marxist notions of Socialism, based on public ownership and central planning, something the PRC is based on today (though with their own characteristics).
Is is Marxist to murder workers for daring to go on strike?
Can you elaborate?
Kronstadt, as one example.
I don’t think Kronstadt is a good example for your case. The Kronstadt mutiny happened during the Russian Civil War, while the Red Army was fighting off the Tsarist White Army, as well as 14 Capitalist countries that had invaded in order to destabilize the new Socialist State. Secondly, it was headed by Stepan Petrichenko, who had 1 year prior tried to join the Tsarist White Army.
Furthermore, Kronstadt was reported on by Western Media 2 weeks before it had happened, with enthusiastic support against the Socialist State. The “strike” involved arresting 300 Bolshevik officials, and threatening to execute 23 of them. Among their listed demands? Freedom of anti-Communism and purging of Communists from the factories and millitary. After it failed, Petrichenko fled and joined the White Army, finally fulfilling his goal of proving himself as a good anti-Communist and worthy of fighting to reinstate the Tsar.
Do you have a better example of an actual strike being slaughtered, and not a mutiny in the middle of a Civil War that was led by a Tsarist for the purposes of dismantling Socialism?
lol, ok.
It wasn’t a “mutiny” it was a labor strike. And, speaking of which, how does a “Mutiny” happen in a classless society of liberated workers?
And it involved much more than just 300 arrests bro…
Again, can you explain how it was a labor strike when they arrested 300 Communists, threatened to execute 2 dozen of them, all at the command of someone who wanted to reinstate the Tsar, whose demands included purging Communists from the government and millitary?
Secondly, you’re confirming that you don’t think Marxism is Socialist. No Marxist has ever claimed that you even can abolish classes instantly, nor that the USSR managed to do so. Abolition of classes is a global phenomenon.
What of Marx have you read?