I’ve read that standard containers are optimized for developer productivity and not security, which makes sense.
But then what would be ideal to use for security? Suppose I want to isolate environments from each other for security purposes, to run questionable programs or reduce attack surface. What are some secure solutions?
Something without the performance hit of VMs
It is the application Docker that is not secure. Containers are. In fact Docker runs a daemon as root to wich you communicate from a client. This is what makes it less secure; running under root power. It also has a few shortcomings of privileged containers. This can be easily solved by using podman and SELinux. If you can manage to run Docker rootless, then you are magnitudes higher in security.
Do you think Podman is ready to take over Docker? My understanding is that Podman is Docker without the root requirement.
Yes it is. I’ve been using it for more than a year now. Works reliably. Has pod support aswel.
Great. I don’t know enough to use either but I think I’m going to try lean on podman from the get go. In any case, I know that all podman commands are exactly identical to Docker, such that you can replace, say,
docker composewithpodman composeand move on with ease.With the specific exception of podman compose I completely agree. I haven’t tested it for a while but podman compose has had issues with compose file syntax in my experience. Especially with network configs.
However, I have been using “docker-compose” with podman’s docker compatible socket implementation when necessary, with great success
Where did you read that and which arguments did the authors make?
Many times, the configuration of Docker is the issue, e.g. mounting stuff like files from
/etc/or the Docker socket from the outside, using insecure file permissions or running the application asrootuser.If you use rootless Docker or Podman, you already eliminated one of the security risks. The same goes for the other mentioned things.
What exactly do you mean by “questionable programs”? If you want to run malware, you shouldn’t do so in an environment where it can break out of anything. There’s the possibility of hardware virtualisation which prevents many of the outbreaks possible, but even then, exploits have been found.
You’re really only secure if you run questionable software on an airgapped computer with no speakers and never run anything else on it.
What would be your use case?
