It’s just so baffling, they’re all from lemmy.ml defending Putin’s invasion. Modern Russia isn’t even ML, the USSR is gone. It’s only “America bad” that’s driving their alignment with Russia at this point, isn’t it? Or they’re a troll factory. Or under the influence of Russian propaganda. Probably people from all of those.
Revolutionary defeatism is just accelerationism with academic window dressing. Thinking that the defeat of western imperialism at the hands of Russian imperialism will improve revolutionary conditions is moronic and dangerous.
And I get that NATO imperialism bad, but so is Russia invading Ukraine. No need to muddy the waters with “the Zelensky regime is illegitimate”, Russia fucking rolled their tanks right into another country that did not threaten them. But these shitheads suddenly can’t recognize imperialism. Again, outright military invasion, is somehow not imperialism 🤪🔨
Can you kindly contextualize the MIC and it’s interest in NATO, Mearsheimer (a foreign policy hawk that loves war) saying its NATO agression, Biden joking in the 90s and knowing full well what NATO east expansion would mean, Putin going from friend to foe, Russia’s economy after the fall of the SU until now?
outright military invasion, is somehow not imperialist
Imperialism is when military intervention. The more militarier the intervention the imperialister it is
You’re right we should be running dogs for western imperialism instead.
And yes it will improve revolutionary conditions as the contradictions become more aparent (money for weapons and genocide is seemingly endlessly available, but not when it’s about housing, environment, healthcare, etc.). The only reason you see it as moronic and dangerous, is because you seem to live in a country that reaps the benefits of imperialism that grant you stability in life
You’re right we should be running dogs for western imperialism instead.
Ah yes, because there are only two options, you’re either a running dog for western imperialism or a running dog for Russian imperialism. But being a running dog for Russian imperialism is actually cool because it will lead to communism somehow. Don’t ask what happens in between, that’s not important…
And yes it will improve revolutionary conditions as the contradictions become more aparent
Wow that’s incredible, why don’t we just skip waiting for the imperialists to do it and carry out the genocide ourselves. That’ll really make those contradictions more apparent, I can’t wait!
I thought it would be obvious I was mocking you by repeating the viewpoint you expressed without the air of pretentiousness that you surround it with, but I guess I was the stupid one for thinking you were capable of recognizing sarcasm.
Also “critical support” for what, Russian imperialism? Why does Russian imperialism deserve “critical support” while western imperialism deserves direct opposition?
thought it would be obvious I was mocking you by repeating the viewpoint you expressed without the air of pretentiousness that you surround it with, but I guess I was the stupid one for thinking you were capable of recognizing sarcasm.
I see you’re like arguing with strawmen in your head
Also “critical support” for what, Russian imperialism? Why does Russian imperialism deserve “critical support” while western imperialism deserves direct opposition?
That’s what I’m asking you dumbass lol why can you lend western imperialism critical support and not to Russia?
Maybe figure out the term and how it’s defined before speaking on it?
No, accelerationism is vulgar deterministic Marxism, Revolutionary defeatism was invented by the Marxists who understood that to get socialism you need revolutionary conditions and a proletarian organization capable of taking advantage of those conditions.
Thinking that the defeat of western imperialism at the hands of Russian imperialism will improve revolutionary conditions is moronic and dangerous.
Growing multipolarity has already resulted in a lot of North Africa freeing itself from colonial domination: it has also created the conditions that allow for the economic isolation of the apartheid state of Israel.
Get off your ivory tower and actually study the present conditions.
The soviets were part of the allies, and killed 8/10 Nazis. Seeing your historical illiteracy explains your lack of understanding on current geopolitical events
You’re right, the Soviet Union joined the allies against the Nazis because they were explicitly not revolutionary defeatists, which cannot be said of a large number of modern day tankies.
And libs often seems to function for tankies in exactly the same way. I’m an anarchist but when I argue with tankies I get called a lib even as I call for the overthrow of capitalism. Funny how that works, almost as if the problem is dogmatism.
So does “tankie” and “woke.” I used mine correctly, you are indeed a tankie. When a chud calls a left-wing political activist woke, at least they’re using it correctly, even if they don’t necessarily know that they are.
You called me a liberal for - let me check - opposing imperialism regardless of who’s doing it. Interesting, do you think that fits the definition?
Literally everyone made agreements like that. The Soviets were the last to do it after spending years trying to form an anti-fascist pact with the liberal powers.
You didn’t know the soviets were part of the allies, so it’s futile to go in any discussion with you.
Your repeating fascist propaganda and insinuating that Stalin and Hitler were allies. You can’t even contextualize the Munich agreement. Just stfu and lurk more
of course i know that in the end they fought the nazis, this don’t exclude the fact they had an pact with the nazis to partition europe, also why would be a fascist propaganda if they were the ones making agreements with the fascists?
Stalin and Hitler were allies
maybe yes, maybe not, the love for genocide was mutual tho
why would be a fascist propaganda if they were the ones making agreements with the fascists?
Because fascists like yourself like to share this without the proper context to paint the Soviets in a bad light, when in fact it was them almost alone stoping the Holocaust.
maybe yes, maybe not, the love for genocide was mutual tho
I like how the article you shared says
Scholars continue to debate whether the human-made Soviet famine was a central act in a campaign of genocide,[159] or a tragic byproduct of rapid Soviet industrialization and the collectivization of agriculture.[76][51][17][52] Whether the Holodomor is a genocide is a significant and contentious issue in modern politics.
It’s just so baffling, they’re all from lemmy.ml defending Putin’s invasion. Modern Russia isn’t even ML, the USSR is gone. It’s only “America bad” that’s driving their alignment with Russia at this point, isn’t it? Or they’re a troll factory. Or under the influence of Russian propaganda. Probably people from all of those.
Tell me you haven’t heard of revolutionary defeatism without telling me you haven’t heard of revolutionary defeatism
Revolutionary defeatism is just accelerationism with academic window dressing. Thinking that the defeat of western imperialism at the hands of Russian imperialism will improve revolutionary conditions is moronic and dangerous.
And I get that NATO imperialism bad, but so is Russia invading Ukraine. No need to muddy the waters with “the Zelensky regime is illegitimate”, Russia fucking rolled their tanks right into another country that did not threaten them. But these shitheads suddenly can’t recognize imperialism. Again, outright military invasion, is somehow not imperialism 🤪🔨
Can you kindly contextualize the MIC and it’s interest in NATO, Mearsheimer (a foreign policy hawk that loves war) saying its NATO agression, Biden joking in the 90s and knowing full well what NATO east expansion would mean, Putin going from friend to foe, Russia’s economy after the fall of the SU until now?
Imperialism is when military intervention. The more militarier the intervention the imperialister it is
You’re right we should be running dogs for western imperialism instead.
And yes it will improve revolutionary conditions as the contradictions become more aparent (money for weapons and genocide is seemingly endlessly available, but not when it’s about housing, environment, healthcare, etc.). The only reason you see it as moronic and dangerous, is because you seem to live in a country that reaps the benefits of imperialism that grant you stability in life
Ah yes, because there are only two options, you’re either a running dog for western imperialism or a running dog for Russian imperialism. But being a running dog for Russian imperialism is actually cool because it will lead to communism somehow. Don’t ask what happens in between, that’s not important…
Wow that’s incredible, why don’t we just skip waiting for the imperialists to do it and carry out the genocide ourselves. That’ll really make those contradictions more apparent, I can’t wait!
It’s almost like there isn’t, right? Could it be the “critical” part in “critical support”?
Your brain is melting wtf are you even saying?
I thought it would be obvious I was mocking you by repeating the viewpoint you expressed without the air of pretentiousness that you surround it with, but I guess I was the stupid one for thinking you were capable of recognizing sarcasm.
Also “critical support” for what, Russian imperialism? Why does Russian imperialism deserve “critical support” while western imperialism deserves direct opposition?
I see you’re like arguing with strawmen in your head
That’s what I’m asking you dumbass lol why can you lend western imperialism critical support and not to Russia? Maybe figure out the term and how it’s defined before speaking on it?
Kindly point out where I expressed critical support for western imperialism.
No, accelerationism is vulgar deterministic Marxism, Revolutionary defeatism was invented by the Marxists who understood that to get socialism you need revolutionary conditions and a proletarian organization capable of taking advantage of those conditions.
Growing multipolarity has already resulted in a lot of North Africa freeing itself from colonial domination: it has also created the conditions that allow for the economic isolation of the apartheid state of Israel.
Get off your ivory tower and actually study the present conditions.
What no theory does to a mf
True, if thia were WW2 they would be non ironically saying for the allies to surrender to the Nazi, Soviets and fascists, to “prevent deaths”
The soviets were part of the allies, and killed 8/10 Nazis. Seeing your historical illiteracy explains your lack of understanding on current geopolitical events
You’re right, the Soviet Union joined the allies against the Nazis because they were explicitly not revolutionary defeatists, which cannot be said of a large number of modern day tankies.
“Tankie” functions for libs the same way, as “woke” does for chuds. It’s a meaningless term
And libs often seems to function for tankies in exactly the same way. I’m an anarchist but when I argue with tankies I get called a lib even as I call for the overthrow of capitalism. Funny how that works, almost as if the problem is dogmatism.
Unlike “Tankie” and “woke”, “lib” does in deed have a definition.
So does “tankie” and “woke.” I used mine correctly, you are indeed a tankie. When a chud calls a left-wing political activist woke, at least they’re using it correctly, even if they don’t necessarily know that they are.
You called me a liberal for - let me check - opposing imperialism regardless of who’s doing it. Interesting, do you think that fits the definition?
Could you kindly defone that for me?
Where? Lol funny how you get that feeling I talked about you
of course after nzia invaded them, but before that they had agreements to share Europe with the Nazis, who don’t know history is you, not me
Literally everyone made agreements like that. The Soviets were the last to do it after spending years trying to form an anti-fascist pact with the liberal powers.
You didn’t know the soviets were part of the allies, so it’s futile to go in any discussion with you. Your repeating fascist propaganda and insinuating that Stalin and Hitler were allies. You can’t even contextualize the Munich agreement. Just stfu and lurk more
of course i know that in the end they fought the nazis, this don’t exclude the fact they had an pact with the nazis to partition europe, also why would be a fascist propaganda if they were the ones making agreements with the fascists?
maybe yes, maybe not, the love for genocide was mutual tho
Because fascists like yourself like to share this without the proper context to paint the Soviets in a bad light, when in fact it was them almost alone stoping the Holocaust.
I like how the article you shared says
That’s…wow 💀