Not being allowed to remove an app has lead about two people to switch from windows in the last 10000years.
When will the EU force Vim to let users out?
Hit Esc then type “q!” <- how hard was that? Don’t listen to the vimxit liars
Well I guess I’m one of the 2 then
Me too
Me three…?
Lets be honest, people don’t switch to Linux because it’s better, we switch because of the cute pinguin mascot !
And because it’s free in many ways.
Or Chameleon if in EU.
It’s OpenSUSE.
Or Larry the Cow.
Don’t forget the cute blue upercase A.
Never heard of anything like that. The chameleon it is.
Femboy A :3
Who gives a shit what other people use?
Too many Linux users do, unfortinuately.
Windows is made by a company that would make this change in some countries but not all countries. We are not free until we are all free. Some operating systems guarantee that. Others do not.
I don’t disagree with you but dude people are sick of the politicization of everything and their operating system doesn’t even get onto that radar. They are ignorant and quite happy of it. Please let the pigs eat their shit in peace.
That said, it is quite telling that Microsoft apparently finds it more advantageous to have two divergent feature sets than to apply the change universally.
I get where you are coming from. FWIW I’m being a jackass for the hell of it rather than trying to start a flame war. But if someone is to get upset about it, perhaps its something for them to reflect on later.
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Idk, the whole “Megacorp is forced to do reasonable thing, but will still only do so in regions where the law applies” should further encourage people to move away from all their crap.
Don’t worry, there’s still plenty of reasons Windows sucks and they’ll only make it worse.
“Oh man, I’d love to use Linux because then I wouldn’t have to have Edge installed!” - Nobody. Ever.
People use Windows because it comes with the PC and it runs all their shit (maybe except some yellowing-beige and blue scanner from 1997) with no fucking about needed. They were never incentivised to use Linux. They don’t know what an OS is, and more importantly, they don’t care.
Also most software is written for that default os and if they ran into most of the common issues linux users do theyd throw it in the bin.
I disagree with the premise, but even if it’s true that people stay with Windows because it sucks less, that’s still a success story for Linux. External comparative pressure leading to more end user freedom. Think of where it could go next!
The year of Linux cancelled. /s
The year of the DESKTOP Linux. Linux has already won everywhere else.
The overlap of people that will not remove the initial bloat (even if it’s a button displayed prominently on first start) and people inclined to use Linux in the first place is not that great.
As someone who has has tried repeatedly for more than ten years to use Linux, Linux is already doing a good enough job at that without their help.
skill issues
Just try fedora, its easy
I’ve been a software engineer for many years so trust me when I say this has nothing to do with how hard or easy it is to install. I used to run Gentoo at some point so I’m not exactly CLI averse. The problem isn’t the installation, it’s maintenance. Shit just keeps on breaking for no reason and I’m tired of figuring out how to fix it.
Linux is simply an enormous timesink. It constantly needs handholding and babysitting in order to work. And it doesn’t even reward you for it with a superior user experience, just a steady stream of problems to fix. Windows might not be perfect, but it at least it works. Meanwhile, Linux is like an insecure girlfriend, it constantly needs reassurance that you still love it.
Linux needs constant babysitting? Hmm I wonder why the majority of the internet servers is Linux not Windows. Even in critical infrastructure where stability is valued, not cost.
However you can’t choose a bad distro (bad for your needs that is) ans expect a flawless experience. When I read your first sentence I expected you to be a video editor or in a field where the industry standard software is only limited to Windows. But if your a developer it’s 100% your fault. I am running Linux for over a decade with zero problems. Only time when I had a problem, I was running Arch (btw) and updating the system blindly, daily.
You aren’t dynamically changing configs, libraries and programs on a production server like you are on a user facing system. That the killer. Linux servers are only stable when you leave them alone.
Updates to servers are generally done by beta testing them on identical hardware in the lab and when you have a functioning image you send that to production. To expect that kind of treatment on a user facing system when you say update the web browser would be beyond unacceptable.
As long as GNU/Linux systems continue to have ABI compatibility issues and general buggy issues between updates, it will never be considered a decent user facing system.
Also the quality of code for CLI programs is far more roadtested than GUI related code since there are major corporate efforts to make Linux servers more stable. Since GUI systems aren’t needed for servers they don’t get the same level of attention. That attention comes from the KDE and gnome foundations which don’t have nearly the same kind of money.
There’s a reason people are celebrating Valve contributing to KDE and related GUI projects as there’s finally some real money being thrown at the problem with real results.
Those servers aren’t being changed almost ever outside of required updates, a user workstation is much more volatile in regular everyday use.
You sound like you have hobbyist level IT knowledge.
You sound like you have hobbyist level IT nowledge.
Then I should be grateful that my employer is paying me despite my hobbyist level knowledge.
Whatever your employer pays, they are overpaying you.
I have had zero problems with Linux so I lack knowledge and am overpaid? You have problems therefore you are paid fairly? Hmm sounds very logical. Any critical infrastructure project would be lucky to have you.
Furthermore, you have told another commentor in this same thread that they reek of incompetence because they have a 7 hour Windows install, yet I am being overpaid because I don’t have any problems in Linux? So a competent developer should breeze through Windows but should struggle in Linux? Is that it? Kinda contradictory don’t you think?
Oh yes, Linux is great for servers, not doubt, but on the desktop, not so much. Unless all you do is administering Linux servers, I guess.
People have already proven they will put up with about anything Microsoft throws at them, so they were never going to switch anyway.
Also you still can’t uninstall the bootloader under windows.😆
Yeah people will download a patched windows iso, go through an extremely complicated install process to have everything the way they want, flip a few bits in windows with some shady ass tool and give up updates instead of just using linux.
Doing all that takes about 2 hours. The shady ass tool is also unnecessary since you can manually change the registry entries. Once it’s done I can install anything by double clicking the exe and it runs 99.9% of the time.
Linux meanwhile only takes half an hour to setup and update (if we are talking about a beginner friendly one like mint cinnamon), but you will use a lot more hours trying to get everything to run. There rarely are good drivers for peripherals, to get even slightly more then the most barebone functions of my logitech gear I have to run a shady github project someone slapped together 3 years ago. The adaptive clock on my laptop doesn’t work, I loose about 2 hours of battery life and the touch pad stops working after a few hours.
I dualboot a win10 ltsc version and mint. By now most stuff runs fine on Linux, but it has taken me 10 times the effort to get to that state compared to windows. And even now I occasionally have to fiddle with wine cause it decides that this specific programm isn’t to its liking. And that’s ignoring the issue it was to run anything with anticheat. That requires a VM with GPU passtrough to even remotely work.
Once it’s done I can install anything by double clicking the exe and it runs 99.9% of the time.
cybercriminal heavy breathing
That’s only an issue if you torrent your stuff in which case linux wont save you. A windows virus/cryptominer/keylogger/etc. won’t natively work on Linux, but it will work if used with wine.
You joking right? Torrents are not the main attack vector XD who told you this fairy tale?
Also imagine using wine, wtf
In my experience everything already had drivers installed on linux. I think with the logitech stuff you mean the stupid configuration ui that would perfectly work on linux but they choose to not port it(you can still use it with wine for example). All my keyboards have qmk so that works on linux. A github project is much less shady because you can check the source code. Idk whats wrong with your trackpad. Battery life is hit or miss on linux, i get more hours on linux currently but only after installing some stuff. On ubuntu or mint the battery life should be good out of the box. Anticheat is basically anti-linux so ofc it wont work. For me backwards compatibility is better on linux than windows. When i try to run old software on windows it never works. Software support is pretty good nowadays but some professional stuff wont work. If you do that you should go mac lol.
Good on you, but that is far from everyones experience with Linux.
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we shouldnt value childrens opinions in adult conversations
Gaming performance on Linux is excellent, I’m getting stable 60FPS on single player games on my old 1050 equipped laptop from 2016 that weren’t even playable on the old Windows install.
Anticheat however is a different story, and CoD DMZ/Zombies is where I spend most of my gaming time so it’s difficult to just give up a Windows install.
I get the point, but there’s for example
Evolutionwhich you cannot uninstall from GNOME without uninstalling the GNOME itselfWell at least it doesn’t fire off background processes even if you don’t use it.
Well, you could if the package was set up differently, or if you wanted to go at it manually. But they way the maintainers set the dependencies makes apt think it has to remove the whole DE, or at least a bunch of essential parts of it.
That’s the point. Obviously you can uninstall any windows application too, it’s just that Microsoft doesn’t want you to.
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Is this some AI generated answer? I refuse to think a person can talk like that.
The “obviously” comes from the article which states that Microsoft allows uninstallilng software which obviously means they always could do that. They just didn’t want to allow users to do it.
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Can’t you pass something like
--unmergeor--nodepsso package manager will ignore dependencies? And then add it to apt equivalent ofpackage.prpvidedto tell that this package is managed by another package manager(you).
Time for Ubuntu to ship with a mandatory Edge installation
meanwhile, me on Arch:
yay -S microsoft-edge-stable-binGodspede to the madlad who needed that to exist
Yeah, as if Arch was not bleeding edge enough.
Don’t give them any ideas
It’s going to be one of those things where someone is either going to switch to Linux or they’re not. Most people will take convenience over privacy.
Funny. For me switching to Linux was actually a convenience and aesthetics over privacy ngl.
Since when does microsoft windows have good privacy?
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Oh, you’re right. I’m seeing now they were referring to the short term inconvenience of installing an OS, and not comparing windows and linux distros.
And still, it’s been years (even decades) that all computers in France were supposed to be proposed without OS preinstalled and yet it’s very difficult to find one, or even to be refunded the licence Price a posteriori. Laws are being voted, removed, revoted, reremoved etc. and all justice actions have been a massive failure for consumers. I hope this law will be more applied than what we had until now.
We are moving the correct way but we still are so far from equity.
