People need to realize you can use alternatives

    • CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml
      111·
      2 years ago

      You could always create an account for your username on multiple popular servers if you wanted to. Can’t stop it on small servers but having multiple accounts in the Fediverse is not a crime.

    • SafetyGoggles@feddit.de
      1·
      2 years ago

      The thing that is the most annoying about the same username on different servers is that most of the time only the username part is shown (for example on feeds and comments). So a troll could make accounts with the same username on a different instance and discredit the original comment. For example, you are @kadu@lemmy.world, I could create @kadu@lemmy.ml and say stuff here, and both of us would just show up as “kadu” and to others it might seem that we are the same account without going into our profile to see our full “address”.

  • WalterzarBoBalterzar@lemmy.world
    27·
    2 years ago

    I tried to make an account on lemmy.ml and it looks like their servers are (understandably) overloaded

    I ended up choosing lemmy.world instead

    My understanding is I’m not missing out on anything by chosing a less-popular instance. Did I get that right?

      • NekoRogue@beehaw.org
        21·
        2 years ago

        Oof, I can see why some of those instances are blocked, though. Since I’m on Beehaw, I checked their block list and…wow. Scrolled through each one for a few minutes and now I’m hoping I’m not on some kind FBI list for it. A few highlights from my research expedition:

        • A meme featuring various characters (MLP, Vaporeon, Peter Griffin, etc) unironically mourning Ted Kaczynski
        • NSFL gore
        • People calling for the execution of cops who stopped rioters on Jan 6
        • SO. MUCH. LOLICON.
        • “Hahaha look at this WOKE LIB 🤣🤣🤣”
        • QANON. QANON EVERYWHERE.

        I was only on each one for a minute or so. I don’t think I’m missing out on anything except maybe being put on some kind of list.

        • voxel@sopuli.xyz
          104·
          2 years ago

          same, I’m on Sopuli and their Blocklist is pretty short but has the worst ones.

          they are really, really bad and some are straight up illegal in some countries.

          Mostly far-right ones, straight up terrorism (seriously there are people with RAF and other terrorist organization’s logos on their profile pics there), nsfl gore videos (like people dying and being tortured type of stuff), and nsfw ones full of underage anime girls in suggestive poses…

          lemmygrad is probably the worst one out of all of them, just because of it’s size (tankie terrorist group)

          • Skelectus@suppo.fi
            3·
            2 years ago

            I haven’t blocked anything on my instance yet since I haven’t encountered that but maybe I should copy sopuli’s blocklist.

            • Drew Got No Clue@lemmy.world
              11·
              2 years ago

              I’ve just finally caved in and visited lemmygrad for the first time and oh, boy! I’ve heard the sound of my grey matter atrophy

          • Duży Szef [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
            2·
            2 years ago

            lemmygrad is probably the worst one out of all of them, just because of it’s size (tankie terrorist group)

            Now that’s some new far-right apologism I’ve never seen before, I’m rather happy with lemmygrad being the big one and not some place like evropa.ss lmao

            One fascist is one too many either way

          • Preston Maness ☭@lemmygrad.ml
            1·
            2 years ago

            same, I’m on Sopuli and their Blocklist is pretty short but has the worst ones.

            they are really, really bad and some are straight up illegal in some countries.

            Mostly far-right ones, straight up terrorism (seriously there are people with RAF and other terrorist organization’s logos on their profile pics there), nsfl gore videos (like people dying and being tortured type of stuff), and nsfw ones full of underage anime girls in suggestive poses…

            lemmygrad is probably the worst one out of all of them, just because of it’s size (tankie terrorist group)

            Ah yes. There’s far-right terrorism, NSFL gore, CSAM, but it’s the commies that are “the worst one out of all of them.”

        • amki@feddit.de
          3·
          2 years ago

          Even if you wouldn’t like it, the cool thing here is you can decide for yourself. If… you feel the need to do so.

        • Boe6@beehaw.org
          1·
          2 years ago

          I saw how long the list is and got kinda concerned I might miss out on content since I’m on beehaw, but now it just sounds like I’m getting sheltered from all the internet wackjobs lol

  • Menachem@midwest.social
    27·
    2 years ago

    tbf people just wanna sign up and click on funny links, not browse through 100 rando instances to find the one that lines up with their exact interests and wait for approval and worry about uptime and whether their instance will still exist in a year

  • zouhair@lemmy.ml
    281·
    2 years ago

    The documentation explaining how fediverse works is so bad. It’s so long and convoluted anyone new just can’t get bothered reading it.

        • SolidGrue@lemmy.world
          1·
          2 years ago

          Someone posted a good infographic about the fediverse over on kbin in RedditMigration (another complicated wrinkle in this whole fediverse thing) that did a great job explaining this whole fediverse thing.

          If only I could link it.

          Edit: jerboa editor doing me dirty

    • sylver_dragon@lemmy.world
      8·
      2 years ago

      Docu-what now?

      Seriously, if the average user needs to understand distributed systems to play in the fediverse pool, they are going to land back at Reddit. Just get people in the door (any door) and fight the technical debt that creates later.

      Sure, it’s a shit plan. But, it’s the only way to really capitalise on the current moment. With both Twitter and Reddit blasting away at their own feet, there is a real opportunity for something better to step up. The fediverse can be that thing. But, not if people end up gatekeeping it. Less Stallman style, “RTFM!” And more, “hey, welcome. Let’s get you set up.”

        • amki@feddit.de
          2·
          2 years ago

          I agree, the first page is already too much text, where is the easy to consume infographic explaining it in comic style? :/

      • kofe@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 years ago

        Idk what’s going on, I just know I’m ready for open source options. I’m signed up here and mastodon now and plan to use the duration of the reddit strike to learn more about these platforms, delete my activity on others, and slowly build communities so I’m not reliant on others for news and learning.

        I don’t think it’s too difficult to figure out. Seems more like a matter of shifting activity to keep people engaged. I’m far from tech literate, though.

    • OzoneThePirate@sopuli.xyz
      2·
      2 years ago

      I recognize it’s easier said than done obviously and I don’t have a good solution to propose; but if there was a way to make the app UI more user friendly it might help the understandability of the fediverse and subsequently lower the barrier to entry. Unless someone can figure out how to make it more seemless of an experience, it’s gonna be hard to get massive traction

  • decksdark@lemmy.ml
    23·
    2 years ago

    I chose lemmy.ml based on two things:

    • I wanted a server that wasn’t likely to close I don’t really know for sure, but I imagine it’s easy to underestimate how much money or time is required to run a server. And I’d really prefer not having to worry about migrating. The ‘run by Lemmy’s developers’ part makes me think that either the risk will be lower or the people running the server will know how to prevent reaching a point like that.
    • I didn’t want to join a very specific instance As I see it, there are two possible scenarios:
      • The instance I join will affect the content I’m exposed (and not exposed) to, in which case I want to experience ‘the whole internet’ rather than a section of it.
      • The instance I choose is irrelevant to the content I get, in which case, (apart from community rules) it shouldn’t really matter which one I choose, so I would just join the biggest instance.

    Still something that could help with the choosing-an-instance process is to display in the list of servers the community rules and if they are blocking certain communities.

    • Cambionn@feddit.nl
      82·
      2 years ago

      You worry it’ll close if you choose a smaller server, but you don’t mind your server being instable due to being over capacity (something it’s already having issues with, hence asking people not to join)? Like, no matter if the servers goes down due to it being over it’s capacity or due to quiting, you still can’t use it… Sure it may come back up, but why not join a stable semi-sized instance instead that run smoothly for you and doesn’t cause more trouble for the devs?

      I mean, you trust the developers to keep things running smoothly, but you don’t trust their message to not join because they currently can’t…

      • Einar@lemmy.ml
        4·
        2 years ago

        Correct me if I’m wrong, but being over capacity will likley get sorted. Quitting is permanent.

    • Landrin201@lemmy.ml
      5·
      2 years ago

      This was pretty much exactly my thought process. My biggest concern here is account stability-from what I can tell, if your instance gets taken down by its owners, your account is gone.

      So until the devs figure out a way to centralize account credentials so that isn’t an issue, I’d much rather join on a big instance than a small one, especially one that the devs of lemmy themselves own. They have a clear interest in keeping it running, so the chances of my account vanishing are small, just like with bigger social media sites.

      The hard reality here is that, much like in real life markets, federated social media will likely tend toward a small number of very large instances and lots of significantly smaller ones. Most people want a stable, consistent experience and don’t want to worry about losing communities or accounts. And unless an instance is STRICTLY policing it’s communities, like lemmygrad for instance, then I think we will see the same thing happen with communities-right now there are lots of communities that are basically identical, and I think we’ll see one or two of each become the “main” ones people use-and those will likely be on larger instances.

      • rothaine@beehaw.org
        133·
        2 years ago

        so the chances of my account vanishing are small

        As long as you don’t mention Tiananmen Square or the CCP’s ongoing genocide of Uyghurs 🙃

        • Landrin201@lemmy.ml
          2·
          2 years ago

          I keep seeing people joke about this-do the mods here really ban people for talking about it? It seems like it’s a bit of a meme here…

  • deva@sh.itjust.works
    267·
    2 years ago

    Idk why anyone would use the main instance and choose to be admined by pro-CCP tankies

      • Liz@midwest.social
        269·
        2 years ago

        The people who run lemmy.ml also run lemmygrad.ml and that second one has a fair amount of communist propaganda. I’m not talking about stuff like “workers unite!” I’m taking about stuff like “actually no one was killed at tiananmen square and if anyone was it was soldiers who were killed by those unruly students and not the other way around.”

        This wouldn’t be so bad, except that they federate Lemmygrad so the main instance will occasionally get to see literal propaganda that the admins won’t take down.

        • mrmanager@lemmy.today
          228·
          2 years ago

          I dont understand why it bothers you so much. Why do you need to have the same political views as people who run an instance?

          It doesnt even bother me that people have those opinions. You know how much stuff from the US that is complete lies and propaganda? You probably dont even notice if you are used to it. :)

          Its just the world we live in. There are no good countries. The US shot down hundreds or thousands of civilians using drones just routinely, not seeing them as humans.

          I think its best to just focus on our lives and not try to act as forum soldiers for the countries we happen to live in. They are all bad.

          • Drew Got No Clue@lemmy.world
            131·
            2 years ago

            No one is saying that the US is good though.

            Exactly because of what you said in your last paragraph, some don’t want to use an instance run by people with a certain political agenda.

            • mrmanager@lemmy.today
              33·
              2 years ago

              I think its a mistake.

              We already divided the earth into countries, and now we are supposed to divide ourselves in the fediverse also because we cant stand eachothers opinins?

              • Jeremy [Iowa]@midwest.social
                132·
                2 years ago

                Are you seriously pretending things such as

                “actually no one was killed at tiananmen square and if anyone was it was soldiers who were killed by those unruly students and not the other way around.”

                are mere opinion?

                • dingus@lemmy.world
                  4·
                  2 years ago

                  I see this often in debate topics. Some people seem to think that every opinion is valid and worth listening to when no, I’m sorry, that really isn’t the case. There is no need to casually try to debate people who don’t believe the existence of the literal sun, or holocaust deniers, or those who think all gay people should be euthanized.

                  It’s a bit of a pet peeve of mine tbh, and I’ve always run into issues like this on discussion boards, especially of the past. Those with blatantly offensive and wrong viewpoints get bitchy when others don’t want their debate topics present because every opinion can be respectfully debated. No. Yes…often two opposing viewpoints can be valid. But other times, they most certainly are not. If you’re of the opinion that child porn should be accepted for example, it doesn’t matter how “respectfully” you try to present it and yourself. Your view is wrong and you do NOT deserve a platform to speak about it.

                • mrmanager@lemmy.today
                  45·
                  2 years ago

                  My point is, we shouldnt act like little fighters here on the fediverse, not when there are so much positive things to focus on.

              • Wigglet@beehaw.org
                6·
                2 years ago

                Personally I don’t think tolerating intolerance is just a differing opinion. I feel like excusing genocide puts them in a group of people i don’t want to associate and I don’t think an “opinion” like denying genocide should be sat at the same table as reality.

                Don’t mince my words, I hate all imperialistic governments who commit genocide and if there were posts about the US never having intentionally killed all the buffalo, trail of tears, those culture stripping schools etc or our own version of those schools here in Aotearoa I would be just as disgusted.

              • Drew Got No Clue@lemmy.world
                6·
                2 years ago

                We are not supposed to do anything.

                Everyone is free to join any instance they think it’s good. We can communicate freely (bar a few exceptions) throughout the fediverse, so it’s not dividing users. Furthermore, lemmy.ml is overloaded, so that’s a good reason to choose another instance. The admins themselves don’t expect the majority to join that server as the primary one (they run it as the ‘flagship instance’).

        • voxel@sopuli.xyz
          41·
          2 years ago

          Blocked lemmygrad the main reason why I picked Sopuli instead of the “main” instance

  • vodnik@lemmy.world
    203·
    2 years ago

    They need to do away with the ridiculous manual approval process on most servers and recommend servers that forego it on the main site.

  • daguito81@beehaw.org
    17·
    2 years ago

    This is something that lemmy devs need to better address. This is an “Eternal September” kind of situation. People (me included) are not used to the fediverse. They think you can participate only if you’re in that instance. And people want content, so they think "why’s the instance with most people? Ahh lemmy.ml? Cool, let’s join.