A new bid to place a measure on the ballot that would ask California voters to approve the state's secession from the U.S. has been cleared for signature gathering.
  • HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    6 days ago

    This was in that KGB plan to divide America, after dividing NATO. Also in the plan: dividing UK and Europe and then dividing Germany and France within Europe. And every single one of those is being worked on or has already worked. Do not fall for it

    • tomi000@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      6 days ago

      Doesnt really matter who it also benefits. The fascist part of the US needs to be weakened as much as possible, you cant leave that much power in the hands of degenerates. Also, it sends a signal

    • Coelacanth@feddit.nuEnglish
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      7 days ago

      Living under the second Trump administration almost makes you wish for nuclear winter.

  • icecreamtaco@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 days ago

    Do NOT fall for this shit, they’ve tried it before. This makes america an easy red majority and that’s the entire point of it. We’re in this together and not going anywhere

    • Obinice@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      7 days ago

      I think when you’re on a ship being sailed suicidally into a storm, arguing they some passengers shouldn’t jump into life boats to escape just because it will only leave the crazy people onboard and “we’re in this together” isn’t particularly compelling.

      Like, surely that’s the point? That state finds it’s people, their way of life and values to have diverged so far from the government and overall culture of the nation they’re currently teamed up with, so they choose to end their union and become a free nation state again, as is their right.

      The alternative to this peaceful split into two countries that can now run themselves the way they want to, would be one side attempting to impose their way of life on the other, to the point of massive crushing oppression or eventual civil war to see which side will dominate and force the other to convert to their ways.

      Surely when we consider the options, peacefully going their separate ways when they’re no longer compatible with each other’s societies and values seems the best result, no?

    • scarabic@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      6 days ago

      CA here. I’ve had two good friends permanently leave the US in the last few years because fuck this place. I’m not sure we care anymore out here what happens to “America,” especially compared to what we could become without being dragged down by it. If this country is really going to go insane and fascist, then it needs to be weakened to stop the damage, and subtracting California from it would do that faster than anything else possibly could.

      • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        6 days ago

        I and multiple others I know no longer use “American” unless it’s explicitly prudent and never abroad anymore, it’s “Californian”

        Everyone who hears this, even the conservative dipshits, love it