The amount of time my classmates have spent dealing with vscode crashing, freezing, breaking, etc is way beyond negligible. And yet, I’m the weird guy apparently for preferring vim and GCC.
If Vim is so good, then why can’t you browse Lemmy from it?
This meme was made by the Emacs gang.
Because unlike emacs gang, we don’t need to build an OS to browse Lemmy.
How bout you go back and let your friends know that if they’re in need of a good editor, try Vim ;)
Vim needs are met by using Evil-Mode. You don’t have to leave Emacs for this.
As a poke at Emacs’ creeping featurism, vi advocates have been known to describe Emacs as “a great operating system, lacking only a decent editor”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war
:P
*stealthily closes nano window and closes laptop lid…
How bout you go back and let your friends know that if they’re in need of a good editor, try Vim ;)
If my friends wanted a good editor, then I wouldn’t recommend a Vimitor, I’d recommend ed, the standard text EDitor :p
Haha, y’all are welcome to try that ;)
tbh, one of the essential things vim gets right for me is that it’s designed as a text editor, not (only) a code editor. I use it for so much non-code text as well, but it feels weird opening a coding tool for such things.
It’s great to use an editor designed and built when vietnam and leaded gas were all the rage.
Exactly! It’s rare to find such old things that are still excellent today
I plan on moving to a nice Neovim setup eventually, but VSCodium is so convenient out of the box for a baby developer like me.
You’ll be glad to know that the difficulty comes from the syntax and very little from any programming skill level. You learn new ways of writing certain code structures like indented curly braces for example. Programming python might be easier than cpp in vim, not due to the language, but just cpp having more complex syntax to type.
Tldr, almost exactly the same amount of effort whether you’ve been coding for two weeks or two years.
My professor was always trying to get us to use vim or eMacs over an IDE to write our C programs. I’m sorry, I like using a mouse. I know, I know, blasphemy. I’m taking a shortcut. I’m a noob.
When I absolutely have to, I go for vim, mostly because I know a few of the key bindings for it, but otherwise avoid it.
I’m taking a shortcut
more like a longcut. I save so much time and effort not having to switch my right hand between the mouse and keyboard constantly
I keep my hands on my laptop and use my thumb on the track pad. My hands don’t leave the keyboard. I actually never use extra mice or extra keyboards.
track pad
it’s okay, we’re gonna make a plan and get you to safety. Pretend you’re ordering a pizza. How many people are currently holding you captive?
Go away
I feel like I’m the only person using KDevelop
laughs in Emacs
That can’t be right, the red car has a service manual and too many functioning assemblies for it to be VS.
I would argue that vim is fantastic for a lot of editing and coding tasks, just not all of them.
Where it utterly fails is with deep trees of files in codebases, like you see in Java or some Javascript/Typescript apps. Even with a robust suite of add-ons, you wind up backing into full-bore IDE territory to manage that much filesystem complexity. Only difference is that navigating and managing a large file tree w/o a mouse is kind of torture.
Fuzzy finding really shine for this use case, no need for a mouse.
Once I got used to single-directory filetree browsing plus fuzzy finding, I have never been able to comfortably use a traditional filetree anymore. most of them are not designed for efficient keyboard use (vscode and intellij at least) and don’t really help understanding the structure of the project imo (unless there arent that many files). For massive projects I find it easier to spend the initial effort of learning a few directory names and the vague structure using oil.nvim, and then eventually I can just find what I need almost instantly by fuzzy finding.
File-based navigation is often inefficient anyway (symbolic navigation is much better when you can), but if you do need it, that’s what fuzzy finders are for. Blows any mouse-based navigation out of the water.
The only time a visual structure is useful is when you are actually just interested in learning how things are structured for whatever reason, but for that task,
treeworks just fine anyway.
I feel like I need to learn VIM at some point because various system tools have a habit of using it. (rpmrebuild and the man pages come to mind) It just comes up here and there even if you don’t care for it.
It always surprises me how complicated some of the editor tooling sounds in threads like this. Obviously once you learn how to use these things they are powerful, but how do people have the patience to deal with all of that in the beginning? This is coming from a guy who writes scripts constantly to avoid doing tedious, error-prone things.
Also I keep seeing people say vscode is slow. One of the reasons I switched to it is that it’s insanely fast compared to other editors I used (even those with far-inferior featuresets) 🤷♂️
but how do people have the patience to deal with all of that in the beginning?
Whenever I was frustrated with a stupid undecipherable error message, I would just tweak my
vimconfig a bit.Within a few minutes, my rage at the error would be completely replaced with rage toward
vimscript.Then I would revert my
vimconfig change, and return to the undecipherable error message with a fresh perspective. mainly relief that at least it’s notvimscript.Joking aside, I really did learn
vimmostly during coffee breaks or while waiting on some long running build process.
I like VScodium and VIM although I have also been using Kate and nano as of late.
I just really can’t stand lua
I don’t mind Vim, it reminds me of my years using EDT on Vax/VMS systems in the 80s and 90s. My fingers knew all the function keys so well, the UI was almost invisible. But more recent years of using Windows because of work have ingrained VS and VSCode the same way, and I like the feel of the mouse.
Sublime gang rise up 😭
