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They don’t understand that we never agreed to any of their TOS/policies, they don’t understand that we don’t use their API.
What now?
Things will continue normally until they can’t anymore.
Assume it’s just the start.
Assume they’ll ask GitHub to takedown the repos (if so go to our Gitea https://gitea.invidious.io/iv-org ).
Assume the team wont be able to work on Invidious.
You know what you have to do.
May Invidious live and prosper, with, or without us.
PS: We won’t do anything unless we have to.
PS-2: If we are forced to quit, any funds remaining will go to Framasoft (and maybe some other organization working on FOSS/privacy)
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Reposting the classic:
Jesus its like Elon Musk was the prophet for the Fuckheads Who Will Ruin The Internet For Money. Big Tech can suck my asshole.
Google and Youtube have been sucking [insert preferred pejorative metaphor here] for ages; Musk just says the quiet part out loud.
But at least people are listening
I just want to say the maintainer who wrote that appears to have handled this gracefully. It gives me hope.
They’ve made a transparent public announcement, making it clear what we should and shouldn’t expect from them, and how we should handle it. They understand the FOSS paradigm (no, I correct myself, the digital paradigm) and have given their blessings for the community to do what they do best. I’d guess the smart thing to do is play along with the cease notice to avoid consequences, go underground and make YouTube play whack-a-mole with sock-puppets and hostile jurisdictions.
Cut off one head and three shall take its place. Wind in your back lads, wherever you go.
This is disheartening to see as someone who just switched to Invidious. Does anyone with more in-depth knowledge on how Invidious and similar Youtube front-ends work know if it’s possible for Google to shutdown access to their servers for Invidious/Piped instances?
As far as i know, they don’t use the youtube api. Therefore they don’t have to be compilant with any api policy or tos. They just connect to YouTube like any browser do and then show that information(with modifications) on the invidious app.
Google can try to modify the code faster than the developers try to update the app since they expect the data to be in an specific format, but that’s all, they aren’t using the api… There is nothing to be closed.
Yeah that’s what I thought, that they are scraping like NewPipe is, that usually breaks a couple of times a year when google is messing around with the page, but the developers are usually really quick and fixes it in a day or two so that it works again.
Technical issues aside, they can do legal takedowns on the big instances and while they can also technically do small ones, I doubt they will. The thing is that a TOS violation can lead to a suspended google account, so it’s a ‘high risk, low probability’ event for self hosters with a google footprint (such as an android device).
Hmm, I’m not sure I understand what you’re suggesting. The host running Invidious on a server would have a different fingerprint to the same person accessing it through a web browser or phone app. Do Invidious hosters even use a Google account? I assumed it just accessed Google servers like an anonymous user.
I’m mainly saying that from the hosting side, especially if you’re hosting on a personal IP at home or something, the “nightmare” scenario is that google tracks you down based on information leaks and slaps you with a TOS violation and account suspension. They don’t need any actual evidence to screw with you, they hold all the cards regarding their services once they’ve decided to cause you trouble.
The more likely scenario is that people serving invidious at a scale noticable to google will have their hosting providers slapped with some kind of cease and desist. (Yes, not all hosting providers will have to comply, but many will - why deal with big tech lawyers over something like this?). That won’t stamp the service out, but it will make using it trickier and less reliable.
I didn’t know Invidious existed until this happened. Barbara Streisand effect in full swing
Does that mean they will also be targeting Piped?
Google and the rest of these types of companies are constantly targeting possible competitors/alternatives with their legal wing. They’ll just sit and collect as much data as they can until they feel its the right opportunity to hit them with a DMCA or some other legal crap they can get away with since they have legal teams on the payroll.
